The problem with democracy is not that people will vote themselves "bread and circuses", but that people can be fooled into depriving themselves of both just to make sure nobody "different" gets them.

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Faith Collapsing is a host set up by me (Steven Saus) with the same sensibility of the BBS I ran back in the 1990s - I set it up for me, but folks I personally know are welcome to join if they like.